Michelle Obama opened up about being in therapy during an appearance on life coach and former monk Jay Shetty’s popular podcast On Purpose. The former first lady candidly discussed her ongoing transition into a new life phase,

The former first lady said she was left in a situation where “every choice” she makes is “completely” her own now.

Michelle Obama said she entered therapy hoping to “unwind some old habits” and “sort through some old guilt,” again addressing the freedom that has come with no longer being the first lady.